George,
Following up on a voice message I just left for you. Please know that my firm represents Patrick Collins, Inc. (“PCI”) as its attorney in its copyright enforcement campaign. We would very much like the opportunity to explain what we are doing through PCI’s copyright enforcement campaign, why is legal and ethical and indeed absolutely necessary given that PCI’s copyrights are being infringed over 50,000 times a month. Indeed, unless my client enforces its copyrights, the public will come to learn that it can infringe my client’s copyrights with impunity. When that happens, my client fears that it business will suffer more or even fail since its primary product is a movie capable of being converted into a digital media file and downloaded illegally through the internet. The way I see it, PCI’s decision to enforce its copyrights is really no different, except that PCI’s store is on-line, than Home Depot’s decision to prosecute every person who shoplifts from it.
I would also like to discuss with you the nature of my client’s evidence of infringement against John or Jane Does like Ms.. Specifically, my client’s investigator has a server and a software program that monitors the internet. When John or Jane Does, here a person using an IP address assigned to Ms. , enters a BitTorrent swarm of people uploading and downloading my client’s movie, the infringer sends my client’s investigator’s server a piece of a copyrighted movie. That is proof of the infringement. The investigator’s server then merely records the IP address. We then subpoena the Internet Service Provider who was assigned the IP address for redistribution to its subscribers. The ISP then correlate the IP address to the infringer. The server does not transmit any information. This type of evidence has been tested in jury trials.
Further, to the extent you are interested, I will point you in the direction of materials from the U.S. government which indicates that there is a national public policy articulated by the President, Senators and Congressmen which states that fighting on-line infringement is in the nation’s interest because on-line piracy costs U.S. companies jobs, discourages the creative arts, among other reasons. Please know that we certainly have no fear of being reported to police or attorney generals. You should know, however, criminal copyright infringement is investigated by the FBI and the department of justice. State governments do not get involved. Indeed, I have so far been contacted by two police people who both after investigating advised the Doe that the dispute is legitimate.
Finally, I would like to explain to you why my client believes it must, in order to preserve the credibility of the campaign, enter into settlement agreements with every infringer or sue them individually. As I will explain, the Recording Industry Association of America pioneered this type of mass copyright litigation. As the RIAA concluded, and my client also believes, the copyright enforcement campaign will lose credibility if it does not follow this course of action.
All things considered, after we have talked, I am hopeful that the tone of your article will be one that warns the public not engage in online infringement, explains the public policy prohibiting on-line infringement, and explains the consequence of on-line infringement, including the possibility of being sued like Ms.. Any such article would be a real public service and my client would welcome it. Indeed, my client’s strongest desire is that the 50,000 plus people a month that illegally download its movies purchase them legally. If these infringers did so, my client’s revenue would increase by nearly a million dollars a month, most of the pirated movie retail for around $18.75. A million dollars a month is far more than my client can ever reasonably expect to generate from its copyright campaign.
While I am sure your article will be truthful, accurate and un-slanted, as I am sure you will appreciate, my client’s reputation for being a law abiding and ethical corporate citizen is important to it. Accordingly, should an article be written that in any way asserts or implies that my client is doing anything unlawful, unethical or that in any other way distorts the truth, my client will have no choice but take the appropriate actions against the person and entity that so published any such article. We hope and trust that no such actions will be necessary here.
I look forward to talking with you. My contact information is set forth in my signature block below.
With my best regards,
Keith Lipscomb
Lipscomb Eisenberg, PL
2 Biscayne Blvd.
Penthouse Suite 3800
Miami, Florida 33131
George,
To: M. Keith Lipscomb
Cc: M. Keith Lipscomb; c@ymail.com; copyright
Subject: Re: [FWD: As I mentioned Elizabeth Jones in my voice mail to you today I am writing a column about you and your company’s conduct in this matter which has been
Great
How do you know it was downloaded at her home and not by a neighbor through her unprotected wifi ?
Sent from George’s iPhone
It’s an interesting question and a frequent assertion by subscribers/infringers.
First, by establishing that the subscriber’s IP address was used to commit the infringement, we have pled a prima facie case for copyright infringement. In response to our prima facie case, a Doe can defend on the basis that its wifi was hacked pleading it in an answer and affirmative defenses.
Should that defense ever be raised in a litigation then, among other things, my clients would investigate by verifying how far the subscriber’s wifi signal carries. Most modems don’t project signals far enough to establish a good connection into a neighboring house. If it did carry a signal to another house then we would, subpoena and depose the Doe’s neighbors to ascertain whether: (a) they have a computer, (b) they have internet service, and (c) they have ever used a neighbor’s open access wifi connection. If the neighbors have a computer and internet then there is no reason to hack.
Also, we would subpoena the subscriber’s ISP again requesting that it provide us with all of the DMCA notices that were sent to the subscriber, as well as any electronic evidence the ISP has regarding megabit usage. DMCA notices or excessive usage are strong indicators of peer to peer infringement. By way of background, DMCA notices warn that infringement is occurring on the subscriber’s account. Additionally, if we have a MAC address from the ISP, we can correlate the IP address to the specific computer. Further, to enable BitTorrent to work, one has to install what is called a BitTorrent Client, which is a software program, on one’s computer. If that program is on the infringer’s computer then that is strong evidence that the subscriber is the infringer. If the subscriber throws the computer away, however, I am pretty sure that the “I did not do it, I do not have the computer on which it was done” defense was expressly rejected by a jury in one of the RIAA cases. If it was a visitor to the subscriber’s house, the subscriber always has the option to tell us that. E.g., if the kids, grandkids, maid or nanny were visiting on the date in question, tell us and we will figure it between the affected parties.
Here is the bottom line, however, merely because a Doe could possibly prove that its wifi was hacked and that it was not the infringer does not make my client’s copyright enforcement campaign overbroad, unlawful or unethical. To underscore the point, let me pose the question back to you: What would you do if your revenue model was pay per download and your articles were being illegally downloaded on the scale that my client’s digital movies are being illegally downloaded? I think you would do the same thing. I know I would and I am personally very proud to be defending my client’s copyrights to the best of my ability.
Finally, without supporting evidence, you should know, neither my client nor I are inclined to initially believe subscribers who make the assertion that their wifi must have been hacked. Indeed, this defense is such a frequent refrain that if we were to believe it, we’d also have to believe that wifi hacking were extraordinarily rampant. It just doesn’t make logical sense, to us, that this what is going on in the overwhelming majority of instances where the defense is proffered.
One more thing about this campaign, if you are going to a truly in depth article about it, you should look at the other actors in the BitTorrent community. I think if explore the feasibility of suing torrent websites like www.piratebay.com or the software companies that produce BitTorrent Clients you will find that the torrent sites are run by professional thieves who secret themselves in remote locations across the country, and the software companies intentionally design their software so that they can assert that their software has legitimate non-infringing uses. After studying this problem, my client which has a legitimate business need to enforce its copyrights made the decision that there is no good way to do it except for filing claims against end users.
I hope this answers your question. I look forward to reading a fair and balanced article. I remain available to discuss these issues with you via phone or by further email correspondence.
Best regards,
Keith
From a woman in Washington state sent to me Oct 25:
I was named in one of those lawsuits. I live in Washington State. There is no way me or anyone else did this. My nearest neighbor is 250 feet away. I think that when they asked for the list of IP’s a number was transposed (which they say is impossible). I am 69 years old, on social security $770 a month. There is a medicare deduction of $110. And I have COPD. My advair copay is $57 a month and so I only get it every other month so I can use $57 for food every other month.
I write bible studies and there is no way I did this. No one has been on my computer and my router is protected. My husband has mac notebook that is old and he only uses it to read the news paper. He doesn’t even know how to send an email or turn the computer on, I have to do it. He tried to watch news, but it did not have enough memory to do that and the circle kept rotating and would not load. When I told them this, they said too bad and I can settle out of court for $2380, payable in three payments (beginning the 4th of November this year), I have no savings and bad enough credit that I cannot borrow the money. Mind you a payment is more than my social security a month. I told them I could pay $25 a month, but then I would have to give up my advair and will probably die.
They don’t care. They said I did it or I was responsible for someone who did. I am not saying I am praying for this horrible man to die, but it would not hurt my feelings if he did. He is preying on old people who do not do these things he is claiming.
My computer is used for my writing and for my pictures of my grandkids. That is all.
I wrote the Attorney General of Washington, they sent me an email address of a lawyer that might take the case, but I have not heard back from him. The EFF or whatever it is, will not help either. Anyway, I did record the whole conversation on my phone and the woman ended up yelling and finally hung up.
It seems like it is a scam where they grab a bunch of IP’s that may or may not have done anything and then sue them – there really should be something that someone can do to make them stop.
Margaret
From Dennis In Colorado
I have received notice from my internet provided that they have received a subpoena requiring them to supply name, address, user name and activity log for my IP address.
This is for copyright infringement for downloading a film. I don’t deny that I did that out of curiosity, saw what it was and deleted it. Never the less, I did down load it. From what I see on the internet, including your post, it appears that I will be pressured to settle out of court and pay them a fine. My internet provided said I could notify them if I had an objection and I would also need to file that objection with the court. I would ask, is there any point of hiring a lawyer and filing an objection? What would be my best course of action?
Thank you for a response,
Dennis
I too have received this letter. Call it what you will but it seems more like extortion to me.
The IP address is mine but the MAC address doesn’t match any device in my house. I have talked to a lawyer but it seems stupid to pay money I don’t have for something I didn’t do.
Everyone has express frustration but no one has actually said what they plan to do. Are most people just settling?
Do not be afraid! Do not listen to the lawyer threatening to sue you! Do not speak to the lawyer threatening to sue you!! Do your own independent research, and get a free consult from a KNOWLEDGABLE defense attorney about the possibilities and ramifications of actually being sued in this settlement extortion scheme!!
Keith Lipscomb is in the business of COLLECTING SETTLEMENTS. Lawyers can tell you anything they want, and are not prohibited from lying, in the name of settlement negotiation. This is a defense that is currently being used by the U.S. Copyright Group after they were sued for Extortion, Fraud and Conspiracy in demanding settlements for the movie Far Cry.
The lawyer in the U.K., Andrew Crossley, who was a pioneer in this mass-lawsuit scheme BEFORE U.S. Copyright Group even got started is now bankrupt, broke, out of work, and SUSPENDED from practice by British Disciplinary Tribunal. The Davenport Lyons who came before Crossley were slapped even HARDER.
MAKE NO MISTAKE.
A Copyright Troll’s evidence is FLAWED. An IP Address that is detected as infringing on a copyrighted work has NO DIRECT CORRELATION to the person whose name is on the ISPs monthly bill.
Do not succumb to fear! Do not listen to the people sending you threatening letters! Do not listen to the people making threatening calls! CONSULT YOUR OWN ATTORNEY WHO IS KNOWLEDGABLE AND AWARE OF THIS UNETHICAL BUSINESS MODEL OF EXTORTING SETTLEMENTS WITHOUT SUFFICIENT PROOF OF A CRIME!!
I double DTD and CTVic’s words. After you do your research, I have no doubt that you will be converted from “scared” to “pissed off”.
This blatant abuse of law must end, and it will end sooner or later. 250,000+ victims were targeted in this extortion scheme in 2011 alone in US.
1. Stop being scared. You are NOT in danger. If you don’t incriminate yourself, no troll lawyer can extort money from you. There is simply no court-grade evidence, and that’s exactly why trolls use scare tactics. If they had any solid proof of your wrongdoing, they would simply proceed to trial, but they are scared of such perspective as all their “business” will fall apart as a house made of playing cards. 250,000 Does and how many judgments based on their evidence? 0 (Zero).
2. Ignorance is your main enemy. Educate yourself. Don’t let anyone scare you. Think critically.
3. Don’t feed the troll. Those who pay out of fear and ignorance do a great disservice to the society. That’s what makes trolls’ “business” lucrative.
4. Make a buzz. The lady from the first comment was disappointed by GA’s response, but if hundreds of us bombard General Attorneys, Bar associations and press, we will be heard and troll’s demise will be accelerated.
Good luck to every victim. Stay strong and fight back.
Here here, I got a notice from patrick collings and then from carroll law firm out of arizona. I told them the date on the paperwork i was not even with centrylink. isp. I was told the normal bull/ he offered us the out of court settlement. We said no We plan on letting this go all the way. All of us like you statted need to stand together and fight. spread the word even if you have settled write everyone you can news, judges, att. general, better bussn. your local and federal represenitive. I plan on starting with the governor of arizona. PEOPLE FIGHT! THIS IS A SCAM
i also received one from patrick colliins. just the part that comcast is going to give them my info. i would love to fight it and end the trolling but how do i do that? as of right now im doing nothing. i realize they are going to get my info and probably file a suit. im not too scared everything ive read has told me its a scam. should i be scared or doing something about my case and what can i do to fight the evil trolls!?
We also recived a letter from CARROLL law firm of AZ. stated that we were being sued from Ya! YOU GUESSED IT. PATRICK COLLINS. I made the mastake of contacting carroll Law firm. but I told them that no one in our home downloaded this 1 movie. Of course they did not care. After exstinsive research I found out you should not have called them at all, but at the time we figured it was a joke. The more I read about Collins the mader I get. These trolls are destroying lives and reputations for money. Then also I recived a sencond letter with the option to seattle out of court for $3900. My first thought was if they have a strong enough case to take me to court and win between $30,000 to $150,000 then why are they asking to seattle for $3900. Also we looked at when this was suppost to have happened and found out that we were not even home at the time, we were at a fund raiser for x mas and can prove it. I was told by an attorney to only contact them 1 more time and ask for a copy of the orginal date collins filed for a copy right of the movie in question. Also here in AZ the same case was dismissed and the scum office of Carroll law refiled it and had it moved. Todate I have found 59 seperate law suits from Collins in 7 differnt states. If you google copyright infringments he is listed on every page. That tells me it’s a huge scam and I cannot belive someone has not been able to stop him. ALSO HAS ANYONE FOUND 1 CASE THAT HAS GONE TO TRIAL. IF SO PLEASE POST IT SO THE REST OF US FIGHTING CAN USE THE INFO ON OUR CASE. WE PLAN ON FIGHTING HIM. LIke the person up above we need to write to all of the attorney generals in every state you can find that he has filed a sueit so they can see a pattern. good luck everyone. Its people like this that will ruin the internet. Dont settle and make hime take all of us to court because its a huge expense for him also and if he looses you can counter sue for your time and attornys fees.
hi , i received similar letter from my ISP saying some production company has filed a federal lawsuit and has asked for my identity details throough court order … I see there are around 4000 other who received same letter … Since getting this letter me and my wife are very disturbed as we know we didnt do it .. but we want this thing to go away ASAP due to personal reasons … dont know about what course of action to take ?? wont lawyering up be expensive than settling out of court ??
Okay, so I will not say if I do or do not download movies online illegally, but if I were too download a file from the internet could my following simulating situation ever incriminate me? If I download the file to an external drive of which I remove from the actually computer and leave somewhere outside of my house, could they say I actual downloaded it even if it came from my computer? So even if they were not able to find the file or if I were to delete it could I get in trouble for it? And also is true that movies to download over the internet can be slowed by a mere frame per second to technically make it a new pierce or work, therefore it is no longer that copy righted item?Also if I were to get it from a Swedish site?
Don’t illegally download movies. Period. Companies can track it through your IP address. Doesn’t matter where you put the movie, you may have to prove you didn’t download it, they don’t have to prove you have it.
George is clear whose side you are on?
This is pure extortion.
Why haven’t you investigated it?
Some of this movies make more money sueing than actual sales.
Would you put an inocent person to death?
Of course not.
These are civil claims, and suits.
They file 100’s at a time.
The laws need to be changed.
Instead the copyright laws are getting tougher.
What’s next laws suit because people are pirating “Happy Birthday”.
I noticed nobody complained when the law entending copyrights form 75 to 100 years. You think any of the authors are alive?
BTW no matter what you are making the lawyers who made these stupid laws rich.
Is there any lawyer or group in NY that is handling these kind of cases? How much do they charge?
i illegally downloaded 452 movies and 8232 mp3 songs so far COME GET SOME!
I am in a identical scenario.. obtained a page from my ISP that offered me entry to a papers “Notice of Trademark Infringement”The attorney in the U.K., Phil Crossley, who was a innovator in this mass-lawsuit plan BEFORE U.S. Trademark Team even got began is now split, split, out of perform, and SUSPENDED from exercise by English Disciplinary Tribunal. The Davenport Lyons who came before Crossley were smacked even HARDER.